Hi everyone,<br><br>In the end, I've just decided to let the player decide. What he likes best is what is going to be.<br>On the one hand, parrying with a 1H-spear can look really cool and allows for a 2nd weapon on the left hand (or a torch, if underground!). On the other, parrying with a shield can be safer, but it's also heavy.<br>
<br>Thanks to everyone for your insightful opinions! ;-)<br><br>EA.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2010/7/24 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:runequest-request@rpgreview.net">runequest-request@rpgreview.net</a>></span><br>
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Ultimately, this is a fantasy game.<br>
<br>
Real life doesn't apply to be honest. Otherwise I'd cast sureshot on every<br>
cricket ball I threw!<br>
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If you aren;t happy with 1H Spear Parry, then don't use it. In my game,<br>
Spear parry is perfectly acceptable. If you are looking for a video<br>
demontration, then the final fight scene in hellboy 2 gives some indication<br>
of expert spear use (I and 2 H).<br>
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> Hi everyone,<br>
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> Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!! [?]<br>
><br>
> However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear don't seem<br>
> to<br>
> apply in the case of this character (please correct me if I'm wrong). For<br>
> example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are historic precedents<br>
> of<br>
> parrying with a lance, but this elf character is basically going to fight<br>
> on<br>
> foot. Sven has mentioned his own experience, but parrying with his 1H<br>
> spear<br>
> was a desperate case. I mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of<br>
> infantry being trained to attack *and parry* with a 1H spear. Therefore, I<br>
> think I'll go with Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a 90% shield<br>
> parry instead. It just seems more logical for a god such as Yelmalio to<br>
> give<br>
> his worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style rather<br>
> than<br>
> a weird proficiency in spear parry.<br>
><br>
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>> From: Bj?rn Are St?len <<a href="mailto:stolenbjorn@hotmail.com">stolenbjorn@hotmail.com</a>><br>
>> To: Rune Quest mailgruppe <<a href="mailto:runequest@rpgreview.net">runequest@rpgreview.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: [Runequest] parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the<br>
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>> I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to join in<br>
>> and<br>
>> confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to parry with. Fiore di<br>
>> Liberi even shows how you can parry a lance-attack with your own lance,<br>
>> it's<br>
>> pretty much the same consept as when you do "winden" with longsword<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw; here's a<br>
>> teaser<br>
>> from polish TV <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c</a> (the footage is<br>
>> not from this year's event). This year about 500 000 were watching, and<br>
>> we<br>
>> were about 3000 fighters on the field, 80 mounted, some 20 cannons, some<br>
>> 50<br>
>> handguns, and some 100 archers on each side. The rest were fighting with<br>
>> polearms or 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we fought, and I've<br>
>> now experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the<br>
>> encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:vikingjarl@gmail.com">vikingjarl@gmail.com</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:runequest@rpgreview.net">runequest@rpgreview.net</a><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry with a 1H<br>
>> spear?<br>
>><br>
>> Actually from the point of view of someone who has been fighting with<br>
>> Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have done it. I can<br>
>> tell you that the specific gift was added based on me & what I<br>
>> demonstrated<br>
>> during the writing of the game. Steve Perrin had watched a battle I had<br>
>> where I had lost my left arm during an SCA melee back in the mid-70's and<br>
>> proceeded to hold off 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear and still<br>
>> managed to take down 3 of them before my companions came up & finished<br>
>> the<br>
>> rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.<br>
>><br>
>> So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being said if you so<br>
>> desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to attack and parry<br>
>> when<br>
>> armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It depends on your vision of<br>
>> the scenario. It would be far more common for the attack to be with the<br>
>> spear & the parry with the shield & thus the player would lose the<br>
>> ability<br>
>> if not armed specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you<br>
>> envision<br>
>> it?<br>
>><br>
>> Skol,<br>
>> Sven<br>
>><br>
>> On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3 character for him. He<br>
>> is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he chose to create a green<br>
>> elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio (Halamalao), and when he<br>
>> rolled<br>
>> for the Yelmalio gift, he got the "90% to attack and parry with 1H<br>
>> spear".<br>
>><br>
>> But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying attacks with a 1H<br>
>> spear? O_O;<br>
>><br>
>> Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?<br>
>> Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?<br>
>><br>
>> What do you think?<br>
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> Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields represent the<br>
> sun.<br>
> If the rationale for the gift were based upon some myth from the Great<br>
> Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield at the time, as the<br>
> sun<br>
> was dead and so shields would be no use. Shields are used nowadays because<br>
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>> Thinking mythically, I can see why a Gift might ignore the fact that<br>
>> Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields represent<br>
>> the sun. If the rationale for the gift were based upon some myth from<br>
>> the Great Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield at the<br>
>> time, as the sun was dead and so shields would be no use. Shields are<br>
>> used nowadays because the Sun is back and can therefore be called<br>
>> upon, but myths can often be out-of-date and anachronistic.<br>
><br>
> Also note that spears and arrows are derived from the sun's rays (as<br>
> described in various myths).<br>
><br>
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> From: Sven Lugar <<a href="mailto:vikingjarl@gmail.com">vikingjarl@gmail.com</a>><br>
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> Thank you, it wasn't so desperate as it was unusual, but your point is<br>
> valid since it wasn't my first choice combination. Also remember my<br>
> suggestion was that the 90% shield parry only applies when the character<br>
> is armed with the cult shield (a Hoplon if I recall correctly) and 1<br>
> handed spear together. the 90% shield parry would not apply if he was<br>
> armed with the Hoplon and a sword, or a kite shield and a 1 handed<br>
> spear, or any other combination. That would fit with the whole Yelmalio<br>
> thing even though it adds a wrinkle of having to maintain two shield<br>
> stats or arbitrarily halving the shield parry stat.<br>
><br>
> Skol,<br>
> Sven<br>
> On 7/22/2010 7:42 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!!<br>
>><br>
>> However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear don't<br>
>> seem to apply in the case of this character (please correct me if I'm<br>
>> wrong). For example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are<br>
>> historic precedents of parrying with a lance, but this elf character<br>
>> is basically going to fight on foot. Sven has mentioned his own<br>
>> experience, but parrying with his 1H spear was a desperate case. I<br>
>> mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of infantry being trained to<br>
>> attack /and parry/ with a 1H spear. Therefore, I think I'll go with<br>
>> Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a 90% shield parry instead.<br>
>> It just seems more logical for a god such as Yelmalio to give his<br>
>> worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style rather<br>
>> than a weird proficiency in spear parry.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
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>> fatigue-rules based on reacent experience :)<br>
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>> I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to<br>
>> join in and confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to<br>
>> parry with. Fiore di Liberi even shows how you can parry a<br>
>> lance-attack with your own lance, it's pretty much the same<br>
>> consept as when you do "winden" with longsword<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw; here's<br>
>> a teaser from polish TV <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c</a><br>
>> (the footage is not from this year's event). This year about 500<br>
>> 000 were watching, and we were about 3000 fighters on the field,<br>
>> 80 mounted, some 20 cannons, some 50 handguns, and some 100<br>
>> archers on each side. The rest were fighting with polearms or<br>
>> 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we fought, and I've now<br>
>> experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the<br>
>> encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:vikingjarl@gmail.com">vikingjarl@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:vikingjarl@gmail.com">vikingjarl@gmail.com</a>><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:runequest@rpgreview.net">runequest@rpgreview.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:runequest@rpgreview.net">runequest@rpgreview.net</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry with a<br>
>> 1H spear?<br>
>><br>
>> Actually from the point of view of someone who has been fighting<br>
>> with Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have<br>
>> done it. I can tell you that the specific gift was added based on<br>
>> me & what I demonstrated during the writing of the game. Steve<br>
>> Perrin had watched a battle I had where I had lost my left arm<br>
>> during an SCA melee back in the mid-70's and proceeded to hold off<br>
>> 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear and still managed to<br>
>> take down 3 of them before my companions came up & finished the<br>
>> rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.<br>
>><br>
>> So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being said if<br>
>> you so desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to attack<br>
>> and parry when armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It<br>
>> depends on your vision of the scenario. It would be far more<br>
>> common for the attack to be with the spear & the parry with the<br>
>> shield & thus the player would lose the ability if not armed<br>
>> specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you envision it?<br>
>><br>
>> Skol,<br>
>> Sven<br>
>><br>
>> On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:<br>
>> Hi everyone,<br>
>><br>
>> Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3 character for<br>
>> him. He is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he chose to<br>
>> create a green elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio<br>
>> (Halamalao), and when he rolled for the Yelmalio gift, he got the<br>
>> "90% to attack and parry with 1H spear".<br>
>><br>
>> But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying attacks with<br>
>> a 1H spear? O_O;<br>
>><br>
>> Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?<br>
>> Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?<br>
>><br>
>> What do you think?<br>
>><br>
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