Hi Tony,<br><br>I am intrigued about your Murder Mystery and I think somethink like this would pose a very nice change of pace for my campaign.<br>Would you mind sharing that scenario of yours so that I could run it for my players (pleeease)? :-)<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 06:44:37 +0200 (SAST)<br>
From: "Tony" <<a href="mailto:postmaster@runequest.za.org">postmaster@runequest.za.org</a>><br>
Subject: [Runequest] Murder Mystery<br>
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I know this is hardley a new subject for an adventure, but I had my<br>
palyesr tackle a murder mystery last weekend. It was actually quite<br>
enjoyble, a different tack from the usual military campaign I am running.<br>
That plus it was one of the NPC soldiers under the characters who was<br>
implicated.<br>
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I cannot deny I got a kick out of a primitive who has worked hard to<br>
become semi civilised plus a viking type housecarl running about trying to<br>
find witnesses and delay the lawspeakers decision:)<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 12:17:37 +0100<br>
From: Roger Benham <<a href="mailto:rog_benham@hotmail.com">rog_benham@hotmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Runequest] Murder Mystery<br>
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I know the feeling of just how rewarding it is changing the thrust of a
campaign: I once had the players gather in the year's taxes, dealing
with evasive, duplicituous and conniving farmers and peasants who had
the temerity to (a) defraud the crown of its royal fifth and (b) keep
enough food to stay alive. The players still talk about it as one of
the best things they ever did, so clearly the change of pace works!<br>
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> I know this is hardley a new subject for an adventure, but I had my<br>
> palyesr tackle a murder mystery last weekend. It was actually quite<br>
> enjoyble, a different tack from the usual military campaign I am running.<br>
> That plus it was one of the NPC soldiers under the characters who was<br>
> implicated.<br>
><br>
> I cannot deny I got a kick out of a primitive who has worked hard to<br>
> become semi civilised plus a viking type housecarl running about trying to<br>
> find witnesses and delay the lawspeakers decision:)<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 13:57:03 +0100<br>
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Tony:<br>
>what did<br>
>Julius Ceasar document himself wearing in Alesia in his Galica<br>
>autobiography?<br>
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I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ALESIA IS!<br>
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>I find it ironic that the inventor of strike ranks now eschews them.<br>
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That was years ago. Times change.<br>
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>Personally I find they work quite well, and keep the combat<br>
> advantages of initiative down to character STATs and weapon<br>
> and armor choices. For me the more luck taken out of initiative<br>
> the better.<br>
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Doesn't it seem odd that a tiny difference between characters can make the<br>
difference between always being hit first, and always hitting first? Then<br>
again, first-mover advantage isn't that huge as there are no wound<br>
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:01:42 -0500<br>
From: Styopa <<a href="mailto:styopa1@gmail.com">styopa1@gmail.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [Runequest] Armor Question in RQ3<br>
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On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 7:57 AM, Hibbs, Phil <<a href="mailto:phil.hibbs@capgemini.com">phil.hibbs@capgemini.com</a>>wrote:<br>
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> Tony:<br>
> >what did<br>
> >Julius Ceasar document himself wearing in Alesia in his Galica<br>
> >autobiography?<br>
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> I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE ALESIA IS!<br>
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At first I thought you were serious. Then I got the Asterix reference.<br>
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>>Personally I find they work quite well, and keep the combat<br>
>> advantages of initiative down to character STATs and weapon<br>
>> and armor choices. For me the more luck taken out of initiative<br>
>> the better.<br>
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>Doesn't it seem odd that a tiny difference between characters can make the<br>
>difference between always being hit first, and always hitting first? Then<br>
>again, first-mover advantage isn't that huge as there are no wound<br>
>penalties.<br>
><br>
>Phil Hibbs.<br>
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Aside from the minor ability to kill/disable someone before they can reply.<br>
But Yeah, that's why IMO initiative systems ALWAYS have to have a random<br>
element. Nobody should know FOR CERTAIN that they will be able to draw the<br>
gun/swing the sword/kiss the girl before someone else; you might be 'pretty<br>
sure' or 'darn near positive' but never 100%.<br>
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Subject: [Runequest] Spirit combat - lots and lots and lots of<br>
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OK, despite being a long time RQ player, spirit combat has never been<br>
something we used much. In retrospect that seems odd, because spirits are<br>
such a big thing in RQ/Glorantha.<br>
<br>
Nobody ever really played shamans, and while occasionally someone would run<br>
up against a spirit in a published module, the resolution of these fights<br>
was so problematic that I tended to veer away from them whenever possible.<br>
People would use their allied spirits etc just as spell storage/mana<br>
batteries.<br>
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Now I've had a long running campaign and my lack of understanding here is<br>
starting to become more apparent. I think I *must* be doing it wrong<br>
(because spirit combat seems really lopsided - either nearly trivial or<br>
super-lethal), and would appreciate some advice / answers from the assembled<br>
worthies. We're using RQ3, but I have lots and lots of house rules so don't<br>
be afraid to offer something that works regardless of system. I've tried to<br>
break these piles of questions into general groups.<br>
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1) RQ3 says a spirit has to materialize to attack a mundane creature (ie a<br>
character), and this takes a round. Does that mean that essentially the<br>
players get a free round of swinging at it while it's materializing? What<br>
are it's hp in material form? It seems that if we postulate that it's MP<br>
are it's HP, spirits will never really successfully attack ANYTHING, since<br>
they have no armor and a couple of decent sword whacks by any schlub will<br>
put paid to even a strong 16POW spirit. Further, this just seems odd, since<br>
my conceptualization of spirits would be that thwhacking at them with swords<br>
and clubs seems like it shouldn't affect them at all.<br>
<br>
2) As I understand it, spirit combat in its most basic form is MP vs MP for<br>
the success chance, a success draining 1d3 mp from the target. Both the<br>
attacker and defender roll simultaneously, the effects to each are applied<br>
before the next 'round'. Both sides keep it up until one or the other is<br>
drained of MP. Each round, the 'success chance' for each opponent is<br>
recalculated. How fast does this occur? Does each "round" of spirit<br>
combat take the same time as a "round" of melee? Do the drained MP actually<br>
go away, or is that just a handy mechanic to use to measure resistance to<br>
possession? I'd presume you use current MP, but that would have the<br>
contrarian effect of making heavy magic-users MORE vulnerable to spirits,<br>
because they'd be spending their MP. It seems odd that Gandalf, exhausted<br>
from casting a bunch of spells (and down to a handful of MP), could be be<br>
easily possessed by some puny POW 12 ghost passing by. What about disease<br>
spirits, who 'attack' a targets stat (like CON), do they then still burn MP<br>
away? That would seem odd, too.<br>
<br>
3) How fast does a spirit move? If they have to incorporate to attack, are<br>
they considered flying while corporeal? Can you really 'run away' from a<br>
spirit attack? What if you're on a horse or something else fast? What<br>
other physical actions can a character perform while they are in spirit<br>
combat? In the sense of '2 actions per character, attack, parry, or dodge'<br>
system, would we consider 'make a spirit attack' as one of them? Could<br>
they, for example, make a spirit attack and dodge a spear? Are there any<br>
modifiers to spirit attack success? I can't imagine physical position would<br>
batter (ie attacking from above/behind) but what about target sleeping?<br>
Befuddled? Demoralized?<br>
<br>
4) can someone else help someone resist a spirit attack? My understanding<br>
is that only spirits and shaman's fetches can initiate spirit combat, so by<br>
my ruling, no, another mundane character COULDN'T 'attack' an attacking<br>
spirit, they can only get involved when a spirit attacks them first.<br>
<br>
5) a disease spirit, do they just 'carry' the disease, or are they ACTUALLY<br>
the disease (ie if they possess someone, they get the disease, but what if<br>
the spirit leaves to attack someone else? Does the first victim still have<br>
the disease?)<br>
<br>
6) if a character dies, what happens to his allied spirit? Does it go away<br>
too? Does it (if in combat) continue to fight to help their master's group<br>
in hopes that maybe their master could be saved/rezzed? What if it's in an<br>
inanimate object like a storm bull's helmet? In this example, what in<br>
particular would a Humakt spirit do - rezzing being prohibited by prior<br>
geas?<br>
<br>
7) Rune Lords and Priests can cast spells through their allied spirits, who<br>
are intelligent. I'd presume that this means that each - the Rune Lord and<br>
the spirit - get to declare independent actions for the upcoming round.<br>
Could they both cast the same spell in the same round? If the RL casts a<br>
spell 'through' the spirit, does this use the spirit's action for that round<br>
too? Can the allied spirit cast the whole repertoire of the character's<br>
spells? What if the character is unconscious? Dead? Divine magic too?<br>
Does it matter whether the allied spirit's INT is 'holding' the spell or the<br>
character for any reason? What if the allied spirit's inhabited body gets<br>
obliterated? (I'm thinking about a Chalana Arroy priestess with a butterfly<br>
who walks through a warding spell...zzzt, dead butterfly, no?)<br>
<br>
Lots and lots and lots of questions, as I said.<br>
<br>
Thanks for any advice. :)<br>
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