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Yes, I recall arguing for armour effects during play-testing back then.
For example Most swords do little or nothing against plate, but a
bec-de-corbin or falchion would damage plate as I'm sure you're well
aware of. It didn't go to far beyond house rules that I used in my
games. I still have my notes on some lined paper from the 70's.<br>
<br>
What I have used on house rules is, on an "attack" roll that is a
natural 01, a critical hit or a special hit that exceeds the AP value
of the armour, the armour loses a point of AP besides whatever other
effects the blow would have. Thus magical armour is unaffected, and it
favors/simulates the kinds of things a more experienced fighter can do
by finding the weak points in armour or striking more effectively.<br>
<br>
Try that & let me know what you think.<br>
<br>
Skal,<br>
Sven<br>
<br>
Bjorn Stolen wrote:
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</style>As I'm into HEMA, re-enactment, etc, I have had a period in
my RQ-life where I tried to "improve" the armor-system. I allways
thoght that the result ended up beeing too tedious, and not that much
more realistic than the original RQ(3) rules.<br>
<br>
I Agree to the fact that most amor/weapon degeneration is subtle and
slow, until a hidden crack, etc. results in a critical failure. Perhaps
one way would be that every time someone scores a critical hit to your
location, the part becomes inoperable, not nessecarily leading to loss
of AP, that would depend on the type of armor. A mail would perhaps
split and result in the bodypart beeing hampered (+1 sr), a plate could
jam, leading to loss of mobility (-X% to all skill rolls), etc, etc.<br>
<br>
There is allso the fact that armor operates differently, and different
kinds of weapon operates differently on armor, it becomes like an X-
Y-diagram, with a thousand different possebilities. Some weapons are
designed to damage the armor, whereas a sword is next to useless
against plate armor (if two swordmen were to fight eachother in full
plate the "fantasy"-way (ie "longplay", it's absolutely possible that
both swords would break before any of the armour-parts would) <br>
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Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:34:40 -0700<br>
Subject: Re: [Runequest] Drowning, Falling and Poisoning in RuneQuest<br>
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We generally played it that special and critical hits would damage
armor sufficiently to lower its overall protection by one point.
Furthermore we used the fumble of "shield strap / armor breaks" at
random locations to further erode armor over time. Since both cases
were not common occurrences (and in the case of a critical to the head,
for example, a dented helm is the least of your concerns) it was enough
to keep players repairing and replacing their equipment throughout the
years.</span></p>
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The rule I recall for natural armor was to simply double the resulting
damage, rather than ignore armor completely. While from a mathematical
perspective this also caused problematic results in some cases, I
preferred it to ignoring armor. So my single stick (max damage of 6)
against the 12pt dragon scale would still do no damage even with a
critical. For magical defense I always count that against physical
damage, the only way around that is with counter magic or some other
specific magical attacks.</span></p>
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[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:runequest-bounces@rpgreview.net">mailto:runequest-bounces@rpgreview.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Styopa<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 13, 2009 5:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RuneQuest Rules<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Runequest] Drowning, Falling and Poisoning in
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<p class="EC_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">A few random
armor questions for folks:<br>
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1) I'm curious if anyone has played with the idea of armor damage in
the same sense as weapons/shields, ie if the AP is exceeded, it takes 1
AP off until repaired. While my players would probably cry, I have to
admit, it sounds a LOT more realistic over time that characters would
come out of a hard fight with their armor in shambles - such is almost
always the description of medieval battlefields and survivors, anyway.
<br>
<br>
2) Physical armor, magical armor, natural armor and crits: how do you
resolve this in your game? Do you judge that a crit ignores ALL armor
points (regardless of type) on a location? Logically I can see how a
crit would bypass physical armor certainly, natural armor probably
(there are always eyes, unarmored joints, etc), but magical defenses?
As regards natural armor, it seems cheesy that something with 12+
points of natural armor could be slain by some schmuck's lucky blow by
a normal sword (or arrow; there's always that damn literary example of
Smaug...). I seem to recall someone here mentioned a clever system
that they had for determining when some things were simply undamageable
based on natural armor?<br>
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