[Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 12

Sven Lugar vikingjarl at gmail.com
Wed Jul 28 03:35:43 EST 2010


fighting with a weapon in the second hand is not the same style as 1 
handed spear so it would not get the same bonus if the truth be told.
Skol,
Sven
On 7/27/2010 2:04 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> In the end, I've just decided to let the player decide. What he likes 
> best is what is going to be.
> On the one hand, parrying with a 1H-spear can look really cool and 
> allows for a 2nd weapon on the left hand (or a torch, if 
> underground!). On the other, parrying with a shield can be safer, but 
> it's also heavy.
>
> Thanks to everyone for your insightful opinions!  ;-)
>
> EA.
>
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>     Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 19:32:56 +1000
>     From: "Andrew" <bgecko at bigpond.com <mailto:bgecko at bigpond.com>>
>     To: <runequest at rpgreview.net <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>>
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>     Ultimately, this is a fantasy game.
>
>     Real life doesn't apply to be honest. Otherwise I'd cast sureshot
>     on every
>     cricket ball I threw!
>
>     If you aren;t happy with 1H Spear Parry, then don't use it. In my
>     game,
>     Spear parry is perfectly acceptable. If you are looking for a video
>     demontration, then the final fight scene in hellboy 2 gives some
>     indication
>     of expert spear use (I and 2 H).
>
>     My 2 cents!
>
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>     > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:42:26 +0200
>     > From: Hola Hallo <easysamurai at gmail.com
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>     > Hi everyone,
>     >
>     > Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!!  [?]
>     >
>     > However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear
>     don't seem
>     > to
>     > apply in the case of this character (please correct me if I'm
>     wrong). For
>     > example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are historic
>     precedents
>     > of
>     > parrying with a lance, but this elf character is basically going
>     to fight
>     > on
>     > foot. Sven has mentioned his own experience, but parrying with
>     his 1H
>     > spear
>     > was a desperate case. I mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of
>     > infantry being trained to attack *and parry* with a 1H spear.
>     Therefore, I
>     > think I'll go with Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a
>     90% shield
>     > parry instead. It just seems more logical for a god such as
>     Yelmalio to
>     > give
>     > his worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style
>     rather
>     > than
>     > a weird proficiency in spear parry.
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:29 +0000
>     >> From: Bj?rn Are St?len <stolenbjorn at hotmail.com
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>     >> Subject: [Runequest] parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the
>     >>        fatigue-rules based on reacent experience :)
>     >> Message-ID: <BAY120-W268E76A1DA9D9F71FECF64BBA00 at phx.gbl>
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>     >>
>     >>
>     >> I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to
>     join in
>     >> and
>     >> confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to parry with.
>     Fiore di
>     >> Liberi even shows how you can parry a lance-attack with your
>     own lance,
>     >> it's
>     >> pretty much the same consept as when you do "winden" with longsword
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw; here's a
>     >> teaser
>     >> from polish TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c (the
>     footage is
>     >> not from this year's event). This year about 500 000 were
>     watching, and
>     >> we
>     >> were about 3000 fighters on the field, 80 mounted, some 20
>     cannons, some
>     >> 50
>     >> handguns, and some 100 archers on each side. The rest were
>     fighting with
>     >> polearms or 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we
>     fought, and I've
>     >> now experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the
>     >> encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700
>     >> From: vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>
>     >> To: runequest at rpgreview.net <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>
>     >> Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry
>     with a 1H
>     >> spear?
>     >>
>     >> Actually from the point of view of someone who has been
>     fighting with
>     >> Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have done
>     it. I can
>     >> tell you that the specific gift was added based on me & what I
>     >> demonstrated
>     >> during the writing of the game. Steve Perrin had watched a
>     battle I had
>     >> where I had lost my left arm during an SCA melee back in the
>     mid-70's and
>     >> proceeded to hold off 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear
>     and still
>     >> managed to take down 3 of them before my companions came up &
>     finished
>     >> the
>     >> rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.
>     >>
>     >> So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being said
>     if you so
>     >> desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to attack and
>     parry
>     >> when
>     >> armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It depends on your
>     vision of
>     >> the scenario. It would be far more common for the attack to be
>     with the
>     >> spear & the parry with the shield & thus the player would lose the
>     >> ability
>     >> if not armed specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you
>     >> envision
>     >> it?
>     >>
>     >> Skol,
>     >> Sven
>     >>
>     >> On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
>     >> Hi everyone,
>     >>
>     >> Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3 character
>     for him. He
>     >> is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he chose to
>     create a green
>     >> elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio (Halamalao), and when he
>     >> rolled
>     >> for the Yelmalio gift, he got the "90% to attack and parry with 1H
>     >> spear".
>     >>
>     >> But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying attacks
>     with a 1H
>     >> spear?  O_O;
>     >>
>     >> Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?
>     >> Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?
>     >>
>     >> What do you think?
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>     > Thinking mythically, I can see why a Gift might ignore the fact that
>     > Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields
>     represent the
>     > sun.
>     > If the rationale for the gift were based upon some myth from the
>     Great
>     > Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield at the time,
>     as the
>     > sun
>     > was dead and so shields would be no use. Shields are used
>     nowadays because
>     > the Sun is back and can therefore be called upon, but myths can
>     often be
>     > out-of-date and anachronistic.
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>     > From: Dale Long <dtl at internode.on.net <mailto:dtl at internode.on.net>>
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>     > On 23/07/2010 12:37 AM, Phil Hibbs wrote:
>     >> Thinking mythically, I can see why a Gift might ignore the fact
>     that
>     >> Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields represent
>     >> the sun. If the rationale for the gift were based upon some
>     myth from
>     >> the Great Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield
>     at the
>     >> time, as the sun was dead and so shields would be no use.
>     Shields are
>     >> used nowadays because the Sun is back and can therefore be called
>     >> upon, but myths can often be out-of-date and anachronistic.
>     >
>     > Also note that spears and arrows are derived from the sun's rays (as
>     > described in various myths).
>     >
>     > Dale.
>     >
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>     > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:52:08 -0700
>     > From: Sven Lugar <vikingjarl at gmail.com
>     <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>>
>     > To: RuneQuest Rules <runequest at rpgreview.net
>     <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>>
>     > Subject: Re: [Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9
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>     > Thank you, it wasn't so desperate as it was unusual, but your
>     point is
>     > valid since it wasn't my first choice combination. Also remember my
>     > suggestion was that the 90% shield parry only applies when the
>     character
>     > is armed with the cult shield (a Hoplon if I recall correctly) and 1
>     > handed spear together. the 90% shield parry would not apply if
>     he was
>     > armed with the Hoplon and a sword, or a kite shield and a 1 handed
>     > spear, or any other combination. That would fit with the whole
>     Yelmalio
>     > thing even though it adds a wrinkle of having to maintain two shield
>     > stats or arbitrarily halving the shield parry stat.
>     >
>     > Skol,
>     > Sven
>     > On 7/22/2010 7:42 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
>     >> Hi everyone,
>     >>
>     >> Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!!
>     >>
>     >> However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear don't
>     >> seem to apply in the case of this character (please correct me
>     if I'm
>     >> wrong). For example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are
>     >> historic precedents of parrying with a lance, but this elf
>     character
>     >> is basically going to fight on foot. Sven has mentioned his own
>     >> experience, but parrying with his 1H spear was a desperate case. I
>     >> mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of infantry being
>     trained to
>     >> attack /and parry/ with a 1H spear. Therefore, I think I'll go with
>     >> Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a 90% shield parry
>     instead.
>     >> It just seems more logical for a god such as Yelmalio to give his
>     >> worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style rather
>     >> than a weird proficiency in spear parry.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
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>     >>       1. parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the fatigue-rules
>     based
>     >>          on reacent experience :) (Bj?rn Are St?len)
>     >>
>     >>
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>     >>     Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:29 +0000
>     >>     From: Bj?rn Are St?len <stolenbjorn at hotmail.com
>     <mailto:stolenbjorn at hotmail.com>
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>     >>     Subject: [Runequest] parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the
>     >>            fatigue-rules based on reacent experience :)
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>     >>
>     >>     I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to
>     >>     join in and confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to
>     >>     parry with. Fiore di Liberi even shows how you can parry a
>     >>     lance-attack with your own lance, it's pretty much the same
>     >>     consept as when you do "winden" with longsword
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw;
>     here's
>     >>     a teaser from polish TV
>     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c
>     >>     (the footage is not from this year's event). This year
>     about 500
>     >>     000 were watching, and we were about 3000 fighters on the
>     field,
>     >>     80 mounted, some 20 cannons, some 50 handguns, and some 100
>     >>     archers on each side. The rest were fighting with polearms or
>     >>     1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we fought, and
>     I've now
>     >>     experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the
>     >>     encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>     Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700
>     >>     From: vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>
>     <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>>
>     >>     To: runequest at rpgreview.net
>     <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net> <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net
>     <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>>
>     >>     Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry
>     with a
>     >>     1H spear?
>     >>
>     >>     Actually from the point of view of someone who has been
>     fighting
>     >>     with Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have
>     >>     done it. I can tell you that the specific gift was added
>     based on
>     >>     me & what I demonstrated during the writing of the game. Steve
>     >>     Perrin had watched a battle I had where I had lost my left arm
>     >>     during an SCA melee back in the mid-70's and proceeded to
>     hold off
>     >>     7 guys with just a short one-handed spear and still managed to
>     >>     take down 3 of them before my companions came up & finished the
>     >>     rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.
>     >>
>     >>     So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being
>     said if
>     >>     you so desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to
>     attack
>     >>     and parry when armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It
>     >>     depends on your vision of the scenario. It would be far more
>     >>     common for the attack to be with the spear & the parry with the
>     >>     shield & thus the player would lose the ability if not armed
>     >>     specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you
>     envision it?
>     >>
>     >>     Skol,
>     >>     Sven
>     >>
>     >>     On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
>     >>     Hi everyone,
>     >>
>     >>     Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3
>     character for
>     >>     him. He is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he
>     chose to
>     >>     create a green elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio
>     >>     (Halamalao), and when he rolled for the Yelmalio gift, he
>     got the
>     >>     "90% to attack and parry with 1H spear".
>     >>
>     >>     But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying
>     attacks with
>     >>     a 1H spear?  O_O;
>     >>
>     >>     Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?
>     >>     Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?
>     >>
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