[Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 12
Sven Lugar
vikingjarl at gmail.com
Wed Jul 28 03:35:43 EST 2010
fighting with a weapon in the second hand is not the same style as 1
handed spear so it would not get the same bonus if the truth be told.
Skol,
Sven
On 7/27/2010 2:04 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> In the end, I've just decided to let the player decide. What he likes
> best is what is going to be.
> On the one hand, parrying with a 1H-spear can look really cool and
> allows for a 2nd weapon on the left hand (or a torch, if
> underground!). On the other, parrying with a shield can be safer, but
> it's also heavy.
>
> Thanks to everyone for your insightful opinions! ;-)
>
> EA.
>
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> Ultimately, this is a fantasy game.
>
> Real life doesn't apply to be honest. Otherwise I'd cast sureshot
> on every
> cricket ball I threw!
>
> If you aren;t happy with 1H Spear Parry, then don't use it. In my
> game,
> Spear parry is perfectly acceptable. If you are looking for a video
> demontration, then the final fight scene in hellboy 2 gives some
> indication
> of expert spear use (I and 2 H).
>
> My 2 cents!
>
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:42:26 +0200
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> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!! [?]
> >
> > However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear
> don't seem
> > to
> > apply in the case of this character (please correct me if I'm
> wrong). For
> > example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are historic
> precedents
> > of
> > parrying with a lance, but this elf character is basically going
> to fight
> > on
> > foot. Sven has mentioned his own experience, but parrying with
> his 1H
> > spear
> > was a desperate case. I mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of
> > infantry being trained to attack *and parry* with a 1H spear.
> Therefore, I
> > think I'll go with Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a
> 90% shield
> > parry instead. It just seems more logical for a god such as
> Yelmalio to
> > give
> > his worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style
> rather
> > than
> > a weird proficiency in spear parry.
> >
> >
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> >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:29 +0000
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> >> Subject: [Runequest] parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the
> >> fatigue-rules based on reacent experience :)
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> >>
> >> I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to
> join in
> >> and
> >> confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to parry with.
> Fiore di
> >> Liberi even shows how you can parry a lance-attack with your
> own lance,
> >> it's
> >> pretty much the same consept as when you do "winden" with longsword
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw; here's a
> >> teaser
> >> from polish TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c (the
> footage is
> >> not from this year's event). This year about 500 000 were
> watching, and
> >> we
> >> were about 3000 fighters on the field, 80 mounted, some 20
> cannons, some
> >> 50
> >> handguns, and some 100 archers on each side. The rest were
> fighting with
> >> polearms or 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we
> fought, and I've
> >> now experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the
> >> encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700
> >> From: vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>
> >> To: runequest at rpgreview.net <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry
> with a 1H
> >> spear?
> >>
> >> Actually from the point of view of someone who has been
> fighting with
> >> Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have done
> it. I can
> >> tell you that the specific gift was added based on me & what I
> >> demonstrated
> >> during the writing of the game. Steve Perrin had watched a
> battle I had
> >> where I had lost my left arm during an SCA melee back in the
> mid-70's and
> >> proceeded to hold off 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear
> and still
> >> managed to take down 3 of them before my companions came up &
> finished
> >> the
> >> rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.
> >>
> >> So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being said
> if you so
> >> desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to attack and
> parry
> >> when
> >> armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It depends on your
> vision of
> >> the scenario. It would be far more common for the attack to be
> with the
> >> spear & the parry with the shield & thus the player would lose the
> >> ability
> >> if not armed specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you
> >> envision
> >> it?
> >>
> >> Skol,
> >> Sven
> >>
> >> On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3 character
> for him. He
> >> is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he chose to
> create a green
> >> elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio (Halamalao), and when he
> >> rolled
> >> for the Yelmalio gift, he got the "90% to attack and parry with 1H
> >> spear".
> >>
> >> But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying attacks
> with a 1H
> >> spear? O_O;
> >>
> >> Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?
> >> Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
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> > Thinking mythically, I can see why a Gift might ignore the fact that
> > Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields
> represent the
> > sun.
> > If the rationale for the gift were based upon some myth from the
> Great
> > Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield at the time,
> as the
> > sun
> > was dead and so shields would be no use. Shields are used
> nowadays because
> > the Sun is back and can therefore be called upon, but myths can
> often be
> > out-of-date and anachronistic.
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> > On 23/07/2010 12:37 AM, Phil Hibbs wrote:
> >> Thinking mythically, I can see why a Gift might ignore the fact
> that
> >> Yelmalion warriors use spear-and-shield. Circular shields represent
> >> the sun. If the rationale for the gift were based upon some
> myth from
> >> the Great Darkness, then Yelmalio would not have had a shield
> at the
> >> time, as the sun was dead and so shields would be no use.
> Shields are
> >> used nowadays because the Sun is back and can therefore be called
> >> upon, but myths can often be out-of-date and anachronistic.
> >
> > Also note that spears and arrows are derived from the sun's rays (as
> > described in various myths).
> >
> > Dale.
> >
> >
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:52:08 -0700
> > From: Sven Lugar <vikingjarl at gmail.com
> <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>>
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> <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9
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> > Thank you, it wasn't so desperate as it was unusual, but your
> point is
> > valid since it wasn't my first choice combination. Also remember my
> > suggestion was that the 90% shield parry only applies when the
> character
> > is armed with the cult shield (a Hoplon if I recall correctly) and 1
> > handed spear together. the 90% shield parry would not apply if
> he was
> > armed with the Hoplon and a sword, or a kite shield and a 1 handed
> > spear, or any other combination. That would fit with the whole
> Yelmalio
> > thing even though it adds a wrinkle of having to maintain two shield
> > stats or arbitrarily halving the shield parry stat.
> >
> > Skol,
> > Sven
> > On 7/22/2010 7:42 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Thanks *a lot* for your replies!!!
> >>
> >> However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear don't
> >> seem to apply in the case of this character (please correct me
> if I'm
> >> wrong). For example, Bj?rn has been kind to mention how there are
> >> historic precedents of parrying with a lance, but this elf
> character
> >> is basically going to fight on foot. Sven has mentioned his own
> >> experience, but parrying with his 1H spear was a desperate case. I
> >> mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of infantry being
> trained to
> >> attack /and parry/ with a 1H spear. Therefore, I think I'll go with
> >> Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a 90% shield parry
> instead.
> >> It just seems more logical for a god such as Yelmalio to give his
> >> worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style rather
> >> than a weird proficiency in spear parry.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> based
> >> on reacent experience :) (Bj?rn Are St?len)
> >>
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> >> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 13:53:29 +0000
> >> From: Bj?rn Are St?len <stolenbjorn at hotmail.com
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> >> fatigue-rules based on reacent experience :)
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> >>
> >> I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to
> >> join in and confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to
> >> parry with. Fiore di Liberi even shows how you can parry a
> >> lance-attack with your own lance, it's pretty much the same
> >> consept as when you do "winden" with longsword
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw;
> here's
> >> a teaser from polish TV
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c
> >> (the footage is not from this year's event). This year
> about 500
> >> 000 were watching, and we were about 3000 fighters on the
> field,
> >> 80 mounted, some 20 cannons, some 50 handguns, and some 100
> >> archers on each side. The rest were fighting with polearms or
> >> 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we fought, and
> I've now
> >> experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the
> >> encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700
> >> From: vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>
> <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com <mailto:vikingjarl at gmail.com>>
> >> To: runequest at rpgreview.net
> <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net> <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net
> <mailto:runequest at rpgreview.net>>
> >> Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry
> with a
> >> 1H spear?
> >>
> >> Actually from the point of view of someone who has been
> fighting
> >> with Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have
> >> done it. I can tell you that the specific gift was added
> based on
> >> me & what I demonstrated during the writing of the game. Steve
> >> Perrin had watched a battle I had where I had lost my left arm
> >> during an SCA melee back in the mid-70's and proceeded to
> hold off
> >> 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear and still managed to
> >> take down 3 of them before my companions came up & finished the
> >> rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.
> >>
> >> So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being
> said if
> >> you so desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to
> attack
> >> and parry when armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It
> >> depends on your vision of the scenario. It would be far more
> >> common for the attack to be with the spear & the parry with the
> >> shield & thus the player would lose the ability if not armed
> >> specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you
> envision it?
> >>
> >> Skol,
> >> Sven
> >>
> >> On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3
> character for
> >> him. He is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he
> chose to
> >> create a green elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio
> >> (Halamalao), and when he rolled for the Yelmalio gift, he
> got the
> >> "90% to attack and parry with 1H spear".
> >>
> >> But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying
> attacks with
> >> a 1H spear? O_O;
> >>
> >> Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?
> >> Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
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