[Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9

Bjørn Are Stølen stolenbjorn at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 23 03:14:54 EST 2010


For a yelmalio, shields are perhaps valid, and by all means, it's your game and you do what you find is best for your game but I hope you trust us when we say that spear-parries are just as valid and logical as spear-attacks. Don't let your (asumed) ignorance in historical combat-logic be why you drop the 1h-spear-parry-skill! If you choose to drop it for a shield-parry-skill, let it be because you think it will be the coolest consept, the thing for a yelmalio, or whatever. I myself have studied the medieval martial manual from Fiore di Liberi for some 8 years now, in addition to knowing a thing or two on I-33, Talhoffer, Ringeck and Döbringer. It's hard to explain combat with text (especially when english is not your native thounge), but I'll give it a try anyway.

 

Say someone wants to chop you with a sword, and you have a 1h spear. You don't parry in this case, as you strike first (reflected in rq3 rules with strike-ranks). If he happens to be so quick that he gets first strike, or if he have succeeded in closing in on you, you then parry. 

There are two main ways of parrying with a 1h.spear: 

 

You can do as shown in this authentic medieval picture: http://www.thearma.org/Manuals/Gladiatoria/12.jpg (place the base of the spear in the ground in front of you, keeping the spear vertical; in this way you get a strong-if static-defence that you can follow up by stepping in to grapple or to attack with another weapon)

 

Or you can do as shown here: http://www.thearma.org/pdf/dlr1.jpg (what the dude do in the lower-right corner with a 1h-sword is just as plausible with a 1h spear; you offset the attackers blade and thrust him in the face)
 

PS, I'm not trying to be rude or sound angry, blame it on my medicore english-skill, and passion on this topic :)


Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 16:42:26 +0200
From: easysamurai at gmail.com
To: runequest at rpgreview.net
Subject: Re: [Runequest] Runequest Digest, Vol 27, Issue 9

Hi everyone,

Thanks a lot for your replies!!!  

However, the examples you mention of parrying with a 1H spear don't seem to apply in the case of this character (please correct me if I'm wrong). For example, Björn has been kind to mention how there are historic precedents of parrying with a lance, but this elf character is basically going to fight on foot. Sven has mentioned his own experience, but parrying with his 1H spear was a desperate case. I mean, there doesn't seem be any precedent of infantry being trained to attack and parry with a 1H spear. Therefore, I think I'll go with Sven's suggestion of giving the charachter a 90% shield parry instead. It just seems more logical for a god such as Yelmalio to give his worshippers proficiency in the spear-and-hoplon combat style rather than a weird proficiency in spear parry.




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Today's Topics:

  1. parrying with 1h-spear + hailing to the fatigue-rules based
     on reacent experience :) (Bj?rn Are St?len)


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I see the right answer has been given allready, I just want to join in and confirm that a 1h. spear is perfectly possible to parry with. Fiore di Liberi even shows how you can parry a lance-attack with your own lance, it's pretty much the same consept as when you do "winden" with longsword



I'm just back from the re-enactmentbattle of Grunwald btw; here's a teaser from polish TV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efgKl20UK-c (the footage is not from this year's event). This year about 500 000 were watching, and we were about 3000 fighters on the field, 80 mounted, some 20 cannons, some 50 handguns, and some 100 archers on each side. The rest were fighting with polearms or 1h-swords. It was 42 degrees celcius when we fought, and I've now experienced in person how overheating is well reflected in the encumbrance-vs-fatigue-rules in RQ3!





Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 10:43:44 -0700
From: vikingjarl at gmail.com
To: runequest at rpgreview.net
Subject: Re: [Runequest] [RQ III] - Is it possible to parry with a 1H spear?

Actually from the point of view of someone who has been fighting with Medieval Weapons since 1958 - Yes I can imagine it & have done it. I can tell you that the specific gift was added based on me & what I demonstrated during the writing of the game. Steve Perrin had watched a battle I had where I had lost my left arm during an SCA melee back in the mid-70's and proceeded to hold off 7 guys with just a short one-handed spear and still managed to take down 3 of them before my companions came up & finished the rest. Admittedly this was a very unusual case.

So it is as you can see a very valid skill. All that being said if you so desire then you could rationally limit it to "90% to attack and parry when armed with 1H spear & Hoplon (cult) shield". It depends on your vision of the scenario. It would be far more common for the attack to be with the spear & the parry with the shield & thus the player would lose the ability if not armed specifically with the cult shield & spear. How do you envision it?

Skol,
Sven

On 7/19/2010 1:53 AM, Hola Hallo wrote:
Hi everyone,

Last day my little brother asked me to create a RQ3 character for him. He is a fan of Link, of the Zelda videogames, so he chose to create a green elf. He is initiate of Aldrya and Yelmalio (Halamalao), and when he rolled for the Yelmalio gift, he got the "90% to attack and parry with 1H spear".

But, wait a second, can you imagine someone parrying attacks with a 1H spear?  O_O;

Should I change this for a 90% parry with shield?
Or just take the 2H-spear-90%-attack-and-parry gift instead?

What do you think?

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