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from the Lev's link:<br>
"Intelligence, whether artificial or natural, as humans understand and experience it, is not isolated from consciousness. Whilst it is common to think of consciousness in terms of subjective phenomenological intentionality (such as the medical definition), the historical definition was very much bound into the co-knowledge of others, "conscius" (con- "together" + scire "to know"), "obligentur...communi inter se conscientia" ("they are bound by common co-knowledge between themselves" Cicero, Ver. 2.177). Knowledge of facts thus becomes a moral question of what one does with such knowledge relative to one's subjective desires; sensuality, intelligence, consciousness become intertwined into the entire mental state.<br>
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Thus the challenge for strong 'artificial intelligence' advocates is not so much to develop an expert rules-based system, but rather one which can make moral decisions based on mutual understanding with others. Until that is achieved, despite whatever level of computational power is achieved, the much vaunted intelligence of machines is merely zombie-like behaviour."<br>
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I see your arguement but, well this is not what many people mean when they debate whether or not a machine can be conscious. By the terms as you define them you have a good arguement but unfortunately what most people mean when they ask "can a machine be concious?" is "is there really anyone in there or is it just lights and clockwork?"<br>
And I'm not sure that the ability to act within a moral framework is either evidence of consciousness (as many people understand the word) nor nessisary for it.<br>
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Now I could show up and we could make these same arguments in circles for a couple of hours but I'm not sure that's a good use of the time of everyone else attending ;)<br>
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(besides I should no better than to argue with anyone with philosophy training)<br>
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<-----Original Message-----> <br>
>From: lev@rpgreview.net [lev@rpgreview.net]<br>
>Sent: 9/2/2011 10:06:06 PM<br>
>To: churchofgaming@rpgreview.net<br>
>Subject: Re: [Churchofgaming] GURPS This Sunday?<br>
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>> Yes GURPS this weekend<br>
>> The problem with disscussions about AI and conciousness is they never<br>
>> seem to get past trying to find an agreement on what is meant by<br>
>> conciousness.<br>
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>I use the meaning of words, according to their use and etymology :p<br>
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>You'll find a definition right here:<br>
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>>>http://www.lightbringers.net/node/6<br>
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